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| COSPILOT | Nov 17, 2023 4:15 pm |
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH(Post 35753436)
Random one week round-trip next June BE r.t. EWR-HNL $1050, EWR to LHR or CDG $1450. UA's pulling in 30% more per seat on trips 60% as long. That's a huge difference $/mile revenue times how many coach seats? The front cabin fares (even raised) can't justify the whole plane vs what they can get to Europe. And that is exactly why UA is expanding to Europe out of EWR at expense of Hawaii. UA still has plenty of seats to Hawaii, albeit connecting. Believe me, I don't like the move, but I get what UA's doing.
Completely agree. I was buying first for my monthly commute OGG-DEN-COS and back, but Im rare in doing so.
| findark | Nov 17, 2023 7:49 pm |
Originally Posted by Unitedloyalflyer(Post 35753349)
You admit you cannot say for sure nobody would pay a premium. You need to stop thinking as an OPM traveler and remember, especially since the pandemic, the front cabins are largely being filled by people traveling on their own dime. That is a very different market than the business traveler and has a different set of expectation.
For Hawaii, the front cabins are nearly entirely filled by this type of flyer. Despite the rising prices for the front cabin, these seats continue to be filled, which means UA has not yet reached the price point where people will stop buying these seats
I am this type of flyer. I will pay $2,xxx to go to Hawaii or to Europe. Neither price is making UA boatloads of money.
The problem is that OPM business travelers are paying $10k to go to Europe and not to Hawaii.
| Unitedloyalflyer | Nov 17, 2023 10:56 pm |
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH(Post 35753436)
Random one week round-trip next June BE r.t. EWR-HNL $1050, EWR to LHR or CDG $1450. UA's pulling in 30% more per seat on trips 60% as long. That's a huge difference $/mile revenue times how many coach seats? The front cabin fares (even raised) can't justify the whole plane vs what they can get to Europe. And that is exactly why UA is expanding to Europe out of EWR at expense of Hawaii. UA still has plenty of seats to Hawaii, albeit connecting. Believe me, I don't like the move, but I get what UA's doing.
Yep, the Y fares. Which is why I was wondering if the high J would be a better fit to HNL and OGG as there are not that many Y seats on those planes
| PsiFighter37 | Nov 18, 2023 7:29 am |
Originally Posted by Unitedloyalflyer(Post 35753972)
Yep, the Y fares. Which is why I was wondering if the high J would be a better fit to HNL and OGG as there are not that many Y seats on those planes
Flying a high-J 763 EWR-HNL would be a pretty interesting idea, especially if EWR-LHR is underperforming at the moment.
| WineCountryUA | Nov 18, 2023 7:39 am |
Originally Posted by PsiFighter37(Post 35754502)
Flying a high-J 763 EWR-HNL would be a pretty interesting idea, especially if EWR-LHR is underperforming at the moment.
A half fitted EWR-LHR would probably outperform in J revenue a full EWR-HNL and the lack of Y space for EWR-HNL would further hurt revenues. And the EWR-HNL requirement more aircraft aircraft to service, further underpreforming.
| Unitedloyalflyer | Nov 18, 2023 11:15 am |
Originally Posted by PsiFighter37(Post 35754502)
Flying a high-J 763 EWR-HNL would be a pretty interesting idea, especially if EWR-LHR is underperforming at the moment.
they'd have properly price J of course to cut down on the number of P and Z fares
On an EWR-HNL route given the length, I could justify paying 5-6K for J for the nonstop. I usually budget ~15 for a Hawaii vacation, I'd have no issue raising that to 17-18K if it were the main vacation my wife and I take in a given year (that may be a touch steep from IAH due to the short flight length, like would in the case take the nonstop on the way home only)
| buckeyefanflyer | Jun 12, 2024 7:59 am |
EWR-HNL nonstop
Looks like EWR-HNL nonstop not operating is this permanent why was it cut same with IAD.
| escapefromphl | Jun 12, 2024 8:09 am |
Originally Posted by buckeyefanflyer(Post 36300131)
Looks like EWR-HNL nonstop not operating is this permanent why was it cut same with IAD.
They confirmed the reason when they announced the cut. Demand or lack thereof. They can get better return using the aircraft on other routes.
| Seph87 | Jun 12, 2024 8:21 am |
Simple, there is not enough O&D traffic from NYC to HNL to sustain a direct long haul flight. Most on the east coast will choose to do a warm-weather vacation in Flordia, Mexico, or a Caribbean island. The few that choose to go to HNL have a myriad of connecting options through SFO or LAX. Connecting through SFO/LAX only adds about 2-3 hours to a 10+ hour journey, provides many more departure and arrival options, and also allows you to fly on UA to other islands besides Oahu.
| sonyeoshin | Jun 12, 2024 8:53 am |
IAD-HNL is currently operating still but only on Saturdays.
EWR-HNL nonstop appears to be bookable from November 22 to March 24, but it doesn't mean the route will still operate.
| angetenar | Jun 12, 2024 9:08 am |
EWR-HNL is likely a seasonal suspension and will return with the Northern Winter
| buckeyefanflyer | Jun 12, 2024 4:11 pm |
Originally Posted by Seph87(Post 36300184)
Simple, there is not enough O&D traffic from NYC to HNL to sustain a direct long haul flight. Most on the east coast will choose to do a warm-weather vacation in Flordia, Mexico, or a Caribbean island. The few that choose to go to HNL have a myriad of connecting options through SFO or LAX. Connecting through SFO/LAX only adds about 2-3 hours to a 10+ hour journey, provides many more departure and arrival options, and also allows you to fly on UA to other islands besides Oahu.
still had a lot of connections even backwards I did CLE-EWR-HNL twice some years ago flight was full.
| Smiley90 | Jun 12, 2024 7:04 pm |
Originally Posted by Seph87(Post 36300184)
Simple, there is not enough O&D traffic from NYC to HNL to sustain a direct long haul flight. Most on the east coast will choose to do a warm-weather vacation in Flordia, Mexico, or a Caribbean island. The few that choose to go to HNL have a myriad of connecting options through SFO or LAX. Connecting through SFO/LAX only adds about 2-3 hours to a 10+ hour journey, provides many more departure and arrival options, and also allows you to fly on UA to other islands besides Oahu.
How does ORD-HNL do? Similar issues or not?
| phkc070408 | Jun 12, 2024 7:11 pm |
I dislike loosing a guaranteed Polaris Seating option to HNL. The ORD flight is now the lone flight that pretty much guarantees Polaris/PE with a 787-10. All of the other HNL flights are either Domestic 772s, 737s, 757-300s, or if you're lucky a 757-200.
| dkc192 | Jun 13, 2024 12:47 am |
Originally Posted by Smiley90(Post 36301528)
How does ORD-HNL do? Similar issues or not?
ORD has a much larger connectivity shed so it should do better. EWR gets you all of the east coast. ORD gets you almost all of that (you lose the small markets that have EWR but no ORD service...which I can't think of many), plus the Midwest and even some of the Southeast/South.
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